Secret Teachings of Jesus

Session 2 Part 3

Babaji: Let’s say there is a little ant walking on this table; all that he knows is this flat plane. If I am standing here watching him, he has no idea of my existence. Why? Because I’m beyond his dimensions, I’m in the third dimension. OK, so similarly, if we’re in this three-dimensional space and three-dimensional time, but there is another dimension beyond that, called eternity. That means that the things that exist in this dimension are invisible in my dimension. Do you follow that?

Audience: It’s commonly said, that ghosts and similar beings are in the fourth dimension.

Babaji: That’s because they are subtle material beings. Ghosts are not spiritual, this is a common misunderstanding. Because if you ask any ghost, “When did you become a ghost? Show me your resume.” He’ll say, “Well, first I was a human being, then I died and I became a ghost.” So his being a ghost has some beginning point in time: that means material. Any time you have a beginning or an end, it’s material.

When you’re beyond time in eternity, then you’re talking about spiritual. This is high metaphysics, we’re talking Einstein level, stretch your brain. This is like mental pushups. Gerardo knows about mental pushups, we stretch his brain on a regular basis. So everything eternal has eternal existence, knowledge about things that are eternal, spiritual things is eternal knowledge. Remember we talked last time about unconditional truth that means knowledge that’s true in all dimensions of time, which is past, preset, and future. Unconditional, absolute truth.

So knowledge about eternal existence is Absolute Truth, and we can know the Absolute Truth even in our present consciousness. That’s the way that we attain this higher dimension of eternity: by studying Absolute Truth. So the truth about the soul is Absolute Truth, because if I say “The soul has no beginning and no end, the soul is eternal and transcendental to this material world,” when is there a time when this statement is not true? If I say “God is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent,” that statement is always true. There is no condition, no circumstances where that statement is false.

That is Absolute Truth. Absolute Truth means eternal knowledge. That’s one of the dimensions of eternity. And that happens to be the easiest one for us to understand in our present condition. So when we hear this spiritual knowledge about the eternal existence, it gives us eternal bliss, because these three things are always associated, because they are all in this higher-dimensional eternity. Got you thinking ah?

Audience: How does it relate in terms of persons?

Babaji: If we look at this in terms of persons, this is more advanced then we had planned to cover in this class; but because you asked the question, I will explain it. Fasten your seat belts! Eternal existence means, it’s called in the Vedas, Brahman. Eternal knowledge is called Paramatma, and eternal bliss is called Bhagavan, this Sanskrit means the spiritual light, the Lord within the heart, and the Supreme Person. And in the Western terminology, Bhagavan is the Father, Paramatma is the Sun, and Brahman is the Holy Ghost. This is very advanced, very deep. This is the solution to all problems, because if all problems have in common the three factors: the self, the desire and the time. So if we get beyond the definition of self as the material body, and we get beyond the desire for material objects or conditions, and we also get beyond time to eternity, then are there any problems? Does God have any problems? No! Does the soul have nay problems? Can anybody hurt the soul, can anybody kill the soul? Can the soul suffer?

Yes, the soul can suffer when he becomes identified with something that is not. In other words, when the soul is in illusion, he can have the illusion that he is suffering. Actually the soul can never suffer, can never be hurt, can never be killed and destroyed, can never be affected by any material condition. But because we identify with the body, we think that we can, because the body can suffer, the body can be destroyed.

Audience: Why is there sometimes a pain that goes beyond the heart?

Babaji: Well, again the soul identifies with something that is not. Let me give you an example: if I go to the movie, a cinema and I see a story on the screen, and something terrible happens and I start to cry, “Oh, this poor guy” etc., am I suffering? No, it’s an illusion. Another example: in a dream at night, I’m dreaming I’m eaten by a tiger. Am I suffering? No. And as soon I wake up from the dream, and then the suffering is gone.

Why do I say, when I dream... and if I dream of suffering, I’m really hurting, I’m really afraid. When I wake up, my body is sweating and shaking, but I say I’m not really suffering, it was only a dream. But when I was in the dream, I was really suffering. Why do I say, “It was only a dream”?

Audience: Because it’s an illusion!

Babaji: How do I identify that it’s an illusion?

Audience: Because it’s not in the present!

Babaji: It doesn’t persist, as soon I wake up it’s gone, it’s finished. It has a beginning and an end. It’s temporary, so I say “Oh it’s just an illusion.” But wait a minute, this body also has a beginning and an end, so is it just as much as an illusion as my dream. Remember when this body was as this big, and then this big, and then this big, and then later on it gets old and dries up and stops working. All a dream, and some day we will wake up from this dream, or we can wake up now. It is our choice. But to wake up, we have to give up the identification with this body, and begin to identify as a soul. That way we recover our eternal existence.

Audience: Is it the same when we suffer a loss of a son or father?

Babaji: What kind of problem is that? You’re in the present, and what you desire is in the past. You had a relationship with someone, very nice, and then they went away. So we feel a loss. OK, but to experience that problem we have to be in time. If we’re in the present, and the person we love is in the past, we feel separation, but that separation is only in time. What if we attain eternity? Then is there any more separation? No, because the soul is eternal. You are eternal and that person is also eternal. So you can have still a relationship with that person through spiritual means. You look like you’re going to explode.

Audience: Can we do that in the present to contact other spiritual being now?

Babaji: We were just talking about love of God a minute ago. So are we contacting another spiritual being?

Audience: Yes!

Babaji: Of course. The contact with other spiritual entities goes through God. Just like when we make a phone call, it goes to the central switching agency, and then to the other person’s phone. Similarly when we contact other living entities spiritually, we go through God. If not, then there is a danger that we contacting some entity who is deceiving us. This happens all the time in spiritualism. People are trying to make a direct contact, and what’s really happening is called spoofing. For example, when a malevolent entity assumes the identity of the person we’re trying to contact.

Because our intelligence is limited, we can’t tell. Plus they may have access to information that we don’t. They may know things about that person, or be able to find out things. So it’s very dangerous, we don’t recommend that. But through God, I mean we can experience any kind of relationship we want with God. So everything is there in God. So when we contact God, all desires satisfied automatically. OK, you had a question.

Audience: Why then God creates people with bodies and this world?

Babaji: Good question, why did God create the material world and these bodies, they’re imperfect, and there are so many problems. Right? This is the main question that theology can’t answer. If God is all-good, if God is perfect, then why did God create this imperfect material world?

Audience: Because we’re learning to elevate our universal vibration!

Babaji: OK, this will be the last question, and then we will take a break. OK, does the government want to throw people in jail? Does the government want to create the prisons? No! But they have to, why?

Audience: Because they are imperfect people!

Babaji: Yes, there are some people who are going to be bad, and to protect the society, they have to build the prison and throw these people in jail, so they won’t create more problems. So similarly there are certain souls who are rebellious in nature, and if they were in the spiritual world, they would create problems, so they have to go someplace where they can’t make problems in the spiritual world. And because they’re rebellious, they don’t want to be with God, they don’t want to see God. Are you starting to get the picture? This is it. So I’m the parole officer, the Guru is the parole officer.

The Guru is saying, “OK, you want to get out? Then you have to go through this process and like that, and if God approves it, then you can go back to the spiritual world.” So the Guru is like the gatekeeper. You have to go through the Guru to get out. That’s the system. God set up the system like that, it’s in the scriptures and everything.

Audience: So Jesus is the Guru to reach the Father?

Babaji: He is the original Guru. We’re all following in his footsteps.

Audience: But are there any other Gurus?

Babaji: Oh, oh, I’m going to explain this in the second part. Ok, let’s take a break for ten minutes.

Uddhava: We’re in jail, welcome (laugh).